I think there is a balance between an item being overpowered (completely easy to use, kills everything instantly whatever the conditions, that kind of thing), and a player simply being skilled.

What Ogris and Shadowhawke have said pretty much covers it.

I think I'm the only person who likes the new update system :s

You're not the only one who likes the new update system, Wynney.
About 90% of the TF2 population don't like the new update system because they enjoy whoring the achievements then getting the weapons quicker.
Valve did it to stop the whoring and to allow people to observe others using the weapons before they got the weapons themselves. The system is currently broken and Valve admits it. They plan to fix it and allow you to influence which weapons you get (e.g. more scout = more chance of finding a scout weapon).
I don't mind the update system personally as I already have my new weapons for the classes I regularly play (Medic, Heavy). I also know that I will randomly get the weapons somehow some way eventually. I prefer the standard weapons 90% of the time normally.

I've edited my post as I meant to say like the new update system.

It's broken, it needs fixing, thats why it isnt as good as it should be, the end

I has teh fro

It may be broken, but it doesn't mean people should rage about it :s. It's obviously going to get fixed asap so I don't understand. I'm not playing for the upgrades anyway, just to say oh hai to all those new snipers out there ^^

People are raging because they are annoyed they can't whore the achievements and get the new weapons. Simple. People just have no sense of patience.

Win

As for the unlock system, it will be fine when they add trading and bias, I think.

Then again, I can only win from this system, as I've never had any of the unlocks

Yeah, but if you already have unlocks it's hard to get the new ones, which is annoying.

true, but I don't really like any of the unlocks personally. The only reason I'm using the razorback is because I can't be bothered to change back to the original smg. Then again, the smg sucks so it's not like im losing much.

I don't really give a shit what anybody says or moans about at the moment. We have a good cheap game being constantly catered by the developers, far far better than what most other games have. Even if the developers 'brake' it in peoples eyes, they then try thier hardest to fix it and to please everybody. I have no doubt in saying TF2 will be better off for everybody in the later days to come.

Once every class has been updated it will be fairly cool to see the vast amounts of tactics and gameplay drew from all the combinations of weapons and tools.

Alas TF_Vanilla 1 will also be cool and probably see the most skill in the game

I agree, Gozzer, I'm just saying the new unlock system could do with fixes, which they have actually said they will be providing, anyway.

People are just idle whoring anyway... So they didnt acheive anything by this new way of getting items

It's a broken system. Valve admits it. Idle Whoring happens as regularly as someone finding a weapon whilst playing.
Everyone, just be patient. Valve are going to fix it as soon as they can. Remember that Robin fired all of his team so there are very people working there so expect it to take a while.

I confess to whoring the death wringer, used correctly its epic xD I found a spy run on dustbowl that could go on for ages if the round didn’t end. Still waiting on the huntsman though >_<

About the system, i don't mind if you get a single item once per month. as long as thats what happens. its annoying and broken if you get one per month and somepeople get 3 per round as it is now.

*is whoring as we speak*

Heh, I noticed you were on achievement_idle, Dopper.

I've only got another FAN from about 6 hours of play.

I feel glad I've never whored any of them

I did for some of the Scout ones, but other than that I havent my scout score isnt even broken as a result of it lawl xD

I think I got the Dead ringer yesterday, that or the other one Not sure xD

I don't like it either, but I spammed Pyro achievements at a friend's house a while back. It was fun, but I regretted it afterwards. I reset my statistics recently though so I now have a clean slate.

Same here.
I'd rather earn them than whore them.