But then Eastenders would be good, and that's not on!

Phil Mitchell has a new hat! His punch is stronger but he now moves slower :<

The hats are purely for lols. They seem to have iterated that a few times now.

And yeah i know it exists Met, I mean... It's going to be a lot easier for Spies to camp in the same places waiting for Snipers to come back expecting the spy to have moved on Means a whole new way of playing.

They are for now. They're testing the system with something not game changing.

Sniper AND Spy spam coming up.
Skillers will be in heaven as a Pyro, as will Avenger and Catsclaws for the Spy spam.
Si, Nannal, and I will be in hell for both class spam.
Metritutus will be in heaven for the Sniper spam.
McWill will be in heaven for the Sniper spam- more competition.
DHR and McWill will be in hell for Spy spam

I play scout more often than pyro now. Both of those classes are fun to play scout against, though.

Heh.... I'll have a crack with the Sniper too ^^ Except... Spies WILL be annoying...

Wierd how McWill predicted something for the Sniper which the spy got.... In the form of the hologram idea, just a bit different But similar in a way xD

Get your razorback out for the spies ^^

I wonder how long the "cool" down will be... and in any case, the revolver is like a 3 bullet KO

Yeah, but if the spy takes damage and you get notified, he's pretty dead...

Goes invisible and stops

I just came.




But on a more serious note, wouldn't you rather have TWO instakill classes being spammed than ONE?
I mean, 2fort would be unplayable. I think valve have done this very well, cos they beast n ting.
Also, considering lots of servers have class limits it wouldn't be possible to get the achievements.

EDIT: I just noticed the Dead Ringer doesn't mention anything about being able to cloak normally, jsut after you recieve a non-lethal hit

As far as we are ware, that's it's drawback. You don't get normal cloak at all, which means you'll have to even sneakier.

I would love to see stats on exactly what weapons are being used by most classes. So we could see just how many people are using options, or sticking with the original weapons

LoL Dave, you're just a stats whore

But tbh I think the hats will be stupid and spoil the whole unique silouette thing,
some sound good: e.g. batter's hat for scout,
but others will just be silly: e.g. football helmet for heavy and afro for demo...

@ Dragon. I have heard that Valve previously said they would release the sniper update with another update at the same time to balance it out.

As for the hats, I think that's why they're only cosmetic for now.

I can't help it! D: I like looking at stats and number and percentages! D:

Has anyone else noticed that you can look at your Average Points/Damage etc for each class now? I'm sure that wasn't there before

I hadn't noticed that, might have to check it out.

I would like to know how much the sidegrades are used aswell.

EDIT: People are saying the cigarette looks different.

I have adjusted the title of this thread to make it clear the both are coming out.

I should have done that

The title was nothing like anything I would post anyway

Official confirmation that both updates are coming at once.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/58658

This was said yesterday

No, they were speculating (but did not say so) when that was posted yesterday. Hence the update at the top saying it was officially confirmed.

they need to come faster

Just a few hours too late