And ATI will probably win.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new ... chitecture

A fiver says this time next year nvidia will be dominant again.

Deal.

I'm on a guaranteed money maker

well, it was more as an extra donation to the servers .

But the way I see it not so long ago nvidia was so dominant (ati were before iirc) and now ati are dominant. It has a way of just suddenly changing

I'll have to read that later. If nVidia don't buck up their ideas from this series, though, they are stuffed.

there will always be a lot of people who just buy nvidia fanboys if you want to use that word...

It's not just that ATI have better products at the moment... actually Nvidia do right now, I think the GTX295 outperforms the 4870X2 on most stuff.

It's just that lately Nvidia are making some critically bad design choices.

The Geforce 8400/8600 etc. problem in laptops made that whole series of chips unprofitable due to the high RMA rate. Lots of problems with 9800GT's overheating also. Something to do with the bumps, basically a bad manufacturing process.

The GTX295 outperforms, but costs a lot more and uses more power.

Nvidia are making bad design choices aswell. They've been using the 8 series architecture for a while, and just die shrinking and shoving more on. ATi on the other hand had some really big innovations in their latest series, which brought them from being rather poor (HD3 vs to having an upperhand on nearly all sections of the market (HD4 vs 8, 9 GTX2)

It's always like this.

ATi makes a breakthrough, sucks for the next 4 years, and the cycle repeats.

They appear to still be winning.

Going back about 6 years;

ATi 9 series vs nVid 5 series - ATi won that, by quite a bit
ATi X series vs nVid 6 series - Close, but nVid won.
ATi X1 series vs nVid 7 series - both were a bit meh, but ATi probably had the upper hand.
ATi HD2 vs nVid 8 - nVid won fairly comprehensively
ATi HD3 vs nVid 8(+9) - nVid stuck with the same tech, and were probably slightly ahead. ATi had a new midrange tactic that payed off alright.
ATi HD4 vs nVid 9, GTX2 - ATi clearly won this. nVid just made bigger chips, and they failed. Dodgy chips cost them, too.
ATi HD5 vs nVid GTX3 - Looks like ATi will win even more.

So basically it used to switch every generation, but nVid haven't had the lead for a few generations now and it doesn't look to change.

So this is the biggest slump in a long time for nVidia, while at the same time ATi/AMD are racing ahead. This, IMO, isn't "what always happens", the difference is a bit big. Small product refreshes aren't helping nVidia either, the new GTX2 cards are mostly pretty good, but just not getting any attention from the masses.

ATI have been doing better since their acquisition by AMD haven't they?

NVidia could still surprise us with a card that is cheap, efficient, not so power hungry and godly powerful.
It all depends on your view of the facts: if you look for trends, ATI will keep winning.

Indeed. In a way ATI saved AMD.



This is also true. They could surprise us, but I don't think that's very likely.

They could surprise us, but looking at the info we have, that is very unlikely. Read the article and you will quickly see why.

And yes, the AMD buying of ATi has been beneficial for both parts. I can imagine AMD will soon pick up, and the proper release of Fusion (not the marketing rubbish we have now) will be something good.

Fusion is the AMD + Nvidia merge. LOL.

The power of Nvidia combined with the cheapness and efficiency of AMD = brilliance ie Fusion.

No, if they combined, AMD would have a monopoly on graphics cards (discounting Intel as, ATM, they have nothing good to show for themselves), seeing as ATi is a subdivision of AMD already...

Anyway, the AMD/ATi cards are more powerful than the nVidia cards, really. The power in the current nVidia ranges comes from transistor spam, which anyone can do.

monopolies are bad!

AMD win DX11.

Interestingly, that article says nVidia are confident about releasing their 40nm GT300 and AMD are having problems with it...

FFS

i had a radeon 2400 HD, ATI were the underdogs

i get a GeForce 9800 GT and boom

Its like the "every game i buy law" (they all turn out to be utter crap)

oh hai

What are you getting at here?

Heh, that article I just posted doesn't imply any nVidia victory.

BTW, Nannal, 9800GT is still a good card, but you could have researched more when buying

That's what confused me about Wynney's post.