Oh yeah, by the way, a really cruddy and rubbish graphics card by the name of GTX295 was released a few days ago.

It's good and it outperforms the 4870X2.

There, I said it.

Now I'm going to jump off a bridge

you know the price of gtx 295?

It's quite a bit more expensive than the 4870X2. The price of the 4870X2 was dropped a couple of days ago.

The GTX295 was about £430 when I first checked, and now seems to be about £450-£470.

The 4870X2 can be obtained for £350.

OK, I've just checked Overclockers.co.uk and I am currently saying WTF: The price of the 4870X2 has gone UP - it's even more expensive than when I bought it. This is totally in contrast to the official announcement of a price drop from AMD.

It outperforms the 4870x2?!
Wow, it must be good... any problems with it yet found etc?

It will have massive heat problems, and driver support won't be 100%.

It does, of course, outperform the 4870X2, it is simply 2 GTX280s stuck together (with slightly reduced clocks). Seeing as GTX280>4870, then doubling them will be the same.

its a rumor about a new graphic card the gt 212/206 (codenames)
the gt 212 is said to have this specs:
"GT212 is the new NVIDIA’s GPU that will replace the current GT200 (the one behind GeForce GTX 260/280). Here are the first specifications available:
- GPU: GT212 / 40nm / 1.8 billion transistors
- Shader processors: 384
- Texture Units: 96
- Memory: 256-bit GDDR5"

40nm? I'd swear they'd only just moved to 55nm process!

Errrrm.... in English please Kriss?
Sounds very technical and TF2 fantastic rendering....

Brain Can Run TF", Doesnt Take Mutch Power Of Grapghicall Abilities.

I Dont Liek The Idea That My Computer Is Cheaper Than That Grapghix Card

My computer, which an run pretty much anything at max settings at 1680*1050 cos less than two of those graphics cards a few months ago. You really don't need those cards unless you're at crazy resolutions.

What screens could manage "crazy resolutions"?
As far as I knew, 30" would be well supported by just 1 4870x2... What on EARTH would be supported by 2 GTX295s!?!??! :O

I bet they couldn't max out GTA IV.

That or god forbid graphic companies need graphic cards for good rendering, they ARE only made for gaming after all(i know, Quadro series, but they are a bit dated now ).

Probably not, but only because of GTA4s retarded memory performance system, which doesn't account for speed at all.

And there are some pretty up to date Quadro and FireGL (ATIs version) around.

i can play every map on my new monitor at full resolution everything high at around 80-120 fps on css .

apart from inferno it seems, but i haven't tested that properly yet ^^

Thanks to my genius and Markus' help, I get 20-50fps on max specs on most maps of CSS on my old PC
Unless there is everyone chucking nades and shooting everything in site... obviously that tends to lower it but at least it is now solid smooth gameplay for me to improve on

Heh, I get 100FPSish on TF2. I think that might even be CPU limited as Si (with a slightly "better" CPU and a lower graphics card) gets similar or higher framerates. By better I mean that, as TF2 isn't properly multithreaded, his higher clocked dual core CPU outperforms my quad core.

2x 4870X2's sometimes are not enough for 2560x1600 when the quality settings are bumped up.

As for what Kriss is saying - yeah I have seen announcements from Nvidia about this. 40nm is their progression path for this year. 40nm is the progression path for ATI also.

It is rumoured that ATI will get 40nm before Nvidia.

Unfortunately, Nvidia will be keeping the GT200 architecture throughout 2009, which means expensive and overheating chips from Nvidia this year. 40nm will not save them.

is allto complicated for me

Aaron earlier you said: ATI will not have a high end part to compete with GTX295 until at least Q3 2009.
how can they get the 40nm before nvidia then?:P

40nm doesn't necessarily mean better performance. They will likely introduce a mid-range or low-end first.

40nm will be good for media products and stuff, I would imagine that's where they will target it.

This article published about an hour after we were just talking about it

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio ... 9&Itemid=1

I read this shortly after my last post.