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I think I saw one of those in a second hand store, lol.

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This one?

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It's incorrectly labeled as a 7950GX2 when it's a 7900GX2.

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Yes, that very one! LOL.

What a waste of money, £110!

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LOL @ £110 on a graphics card that requires you to cut away your hard drive cages.

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That gets beaten by new £100 graphics cards.

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And isn't really SLI compatible..

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Fudzilla released those pictures on their website today.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio ... 1&Itemid=1

At the end of the day, this is still just a pre-production card so things might be different!

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haha, i'm using the GTX version of the 7900, and payed 80 quid more for it than the one in the pic :S

think i'm gonna upgrade to GTX 280 soon :)

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haha, i'm using the GTX version of the 7900, and payed 80 quid more for it than the one in the pic :S

think i'm gonna upgrade to GTX 280 soon :)


You're serious? GTX280 is an epic fail of a chip (too hot, too large, too expensive to manufacture and sell) and for the price, the performance is crap.

Get 2 HD4870's and outperform the GTX280 with some change to spare.

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WE HAVE BEEN dogging Nvidia's new chip for a while for being too big, too hot, too slow, and unmanufacturable. It is all of that, and you will know why we said that in a few weeks.


Or wait for the HD4870X2 as it will outperform the GTX280 for less money than the GTX280. It will also be more energy efficient and will scale better.

I wouldn't be surprised if GTX280 is pulled from the market in a few months and being banished in to another one of Nvidia's unsuccessful chips piles.

Just to remind you of how much fail the GTX280 is...

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Diablo III may look better on ATI cards also... http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/ ... dia-diablo

LOL @ Nvidia not adopting DX10.1 even in their new cards...

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Heh, Goderer, that was probably a while back that you paid that much. Heck, I paid £200 for my 8800GTS, and the better GTs cost just £100 now.

I agree with Aaron, though, the GTX280 is seriously not worth it. Looking at benchmarks it only just outperforms ATI's fantastic HD4870, at over twice the price. The 4870X2 should kick ass, and be an interesting upgrade choice for those who already have a 4870.

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my attempt at humor to continue my history of bad gfx cards. it actually wasn't to long ago i got my 7900 :$
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i do need to upgrade, but i'd like to stick with nividia, had some incompatibility problems in the past, cant be arsed to do it again.

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Nvidia dropped the price on GTX280 today... but it still isn't enough.

You're still looking at £400ish for a GTX280, which is about £100 too much.

I've hopped between graphics cards a lot, jumping from Nvidia to ATI, back to Nvidia and now I will go back to ATI. Never had a problem with any, really, I just go for what is best at the time, and currently ATI have the best performance for the money.

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Yeah, I've had a 6800GT and 8800GTS, simply because they were the best available at the price at the time. When I first considered building a comp, I was going to get the 9800, but then the new series were released.

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Diamond Multimedia's Overclocked HD4870 will be hitting etail soon apparently...

This card is a 1.52 Teraflop BEAST!

The GPU is running at 950MHz (+200MHz) and the memory is running at 1200MHz (1.2GHz) (+300MHz) which is 4800MHz (4.8GHz) effectively after the quad-pumpage.

Yes, this proves there is a lot of headroom with the GDDR5 memory.

GTX280 has official been raped, so I wonder when Nvidia will release some better cards?

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Wow, that is an incredible overclock! I wonder what you could get out of them with some watercooling?

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I think it comes in two versions - one is with an air cooler and the other is with a custom DangerDen block that cools the memory modules as well.

This particular card has a custom firmware developed jointly by ATI and Diamond Multimedia to allow such a huge overclock.

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Nice, bet it costs a bomb, though!

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ati's graphics card competition is not as strong as it used to be, ati's current top-of-the-range card can be beaten fairly easily even by high-end cards from nvidia's 8 series. i'm guessing the new cards are not going to offer much of a performance boost from the 38still, i'm not an expert at this, im guessing, the higher number the better ! :)

cant wait for ati to make the Radeon HD 93218127547

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ati's graphics card competition is not as strong as it used to be, ati's current top-of-the-range card can be beaten fairly easily even by high-end cards from nvidia's 8 series. i'm guessing the new cards are not going to offer much of a performance boost from the 38still, i'm not an expert at this, im guessing, the higher number the better ! :)

cant wait for ati to make the Radeon HD 93218127547


ATI's new cards have already been released.
They make the 8-series scores look pathetic.
They also wipe the floor with 9800GTX and 9800GTX+.
The current top end regularly outperforms Nvidia's top-end GTX260 which costs £100 more.
Two of them in SLI outperform the GTX280, which costs more than double.
Conclusion is that ATI's graphics card competition is extremely strong. ATI's current top of the range card cannot be beaten fairly easily. The new cards can offer up to 100% performance improvements over the 38xx.

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SLI Aaron? What is this blasphemy! You mean Crossfire!

These new cards are absolutely incredibly, as Aaron said, they wipe the floor with the 8 series, and give the 9800GTXs a small thrashing (depends on the game). The 4870 is faster than the old 3870X2. They are fairly close to the twice as expensive GTX280 aswell. A welcome return to form from ATi!

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Oh yes, silly me :P I meant Crossfire. Actually, I meant Crossfire-X!

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my bad, i didnt know they had already come out, from what i heard from the 38** and x19** ati's cards didnt seem very strong.
i have a laptop with an ati card:
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this laptop pwned for its time, 5years ago and it ran half life 2 on high detail at a HD resolution of 1920x1200 at about 30+fps not bad.
i heard that ati started going downhill after the x800xt and after amd bought them

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They didn't particulary go downhill, they just didn't go uphill as fast as nVidia.

The 38xxs were amazing cards when they were released, they offered good performance at a good price. However, they weren't as fast as the various 8800s, but that didn't matter as they were considerably cheaper. The problem was nVidia dropped all their prices soon after the release, and suddenly the 38s weren't looking so tempting.

These new 48s are starting off similar, with nothing competing with them at this price. It looks like nVidia is going to drop prices on the 9800GTXs and launch a new + model, which causes direct competition. However, this time, the ATi cards are much stronger, and are a tempting alternative.

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I was really struggling to find a decent card at the £140 mark when I built my girlfriend's computer. The Nvidia cards were single slot at that price in the current generation, and that was a problem for me - to get a dual slot meant that I needed to spend more to get higher performance and I didn't want that. I didn't want to jump back a generation. I didn't want the new 9600GT at that time either, being a single-slot also. Nvidia single slot cards have some fan problems... The only one I could find at a good price was the 3870 with a dual-slot cooler. The performance is pretty good but obviously slower than my 8800 Ultra. Still, the system gets over 100FPS in Counter-Strike: Source at 1680x1050 all settings maxed.

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Heh, I think even my old 6800GT got 100fps on the CSS benchmark, I think it's CPU-clock limited.

I see your point about the dual slot coolers, lol.

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