Radeon 4850 and 4870

azcn2503 · Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:45 am

Hi guys, sorry for this short message as I'm on my phone and can't copy and paste links.
Asus, PowerColor and Sapphire have jumped the gun on the 4870 card (2 days early).
Keep an eye on review sites and even OCUK and Scan as they may appear on there before Wednesday. 4870 will be in very high demand so if you want one, get one quickly!

Update: I'm on a PC now. Fudzilla deliver the goods:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio ... 8&Itemid=1
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio ... 7&Itemid=1

Update: 4870 listed on German site for €239.
http://www.grafikkartenpower.de/shop/ca ... cts_id=792

Update: 4870 benchmarked on HKEPC (Hong Kong):
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... page%253D1

Skillers · Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:52 pm

Interesting. Hopefully they won't be in too short supply, lol.

azcn2503 · Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:54 pm

They probably will be for a few weeks because of GDDR5 shortages globally. Of course, Samsung/Qimonda/whoever GDDR5 chips are probably exclusive for ATI right now so maybe it's not correct to say globally!

Skillers · Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:56 pm

I believe they are Qimonda. I don't think they'll be in that much shortage, personally.

azcn2503 · Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:58 pm

We'll have to see. Fudzilla expect that there will be a short supply of them initially, and demand will keep that short supply exhausted until about a months time.

Skillers · Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:04 pm

Well a months time is alright, I won't be building for a while, and the prices should come down by then, lol.

azcn2503 · Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:55 am

This is the announcement I am interested in though...

HD4870x2 just around the corner: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/ ... 0x2-corner

Inq wrote:

And, having gotten its act together - unlike the chip chaps that borged them, said one - AMD's graphics divison will launch the HD4870X2 sooner rather than later, they proclaimed.

And it will be dressed entirely in black just like the 9800GX2. µ

This matches up with what Fudzilla said about the 4870X2 on a previous occasion...

R700 card is up and running : http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio ... &Itemid=34

Fudzilla wrote:

The card looks very much like Radeon 3870 X2 and the cooler looks the same; just this time the PCB is black. The card should be ready by the end of August, but there is still not any fixed date.

And if by sooner rather than later they mean before September or even August then that would be amazing as I plan to get two of these honeys.

Also... GDDR5 on the 4870 works at 3.6GHz.

Fudzilla wrote:

You can see that Radeon HD 4870 will end up with almost twice as much bandwidth than Radeon HD 4850 and we are talking about number close to 115GB/s at least if our math worked well this time.

The card is out tomorrow.

Also... Force3D released their 4870...

http://www.force3d.com/press/23_6_08_hd4870.html

It's faster than a 3870X2 and a 4850.

Skillers · Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:49 pm

Sweet, need more 4870 benchmarks!

azcn2503 · Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:04 pm

HD4870X2 to be available pretty soon!

According to the above chart, it will take about 8 weeks to be released... from when I don't know. Maybe from 4850 launch? This is obviously a slightly older image as the RV770 PRO was released last Friday and the RV700 XT launch date is tomorrow!

Skillers · Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:10 pm

That, and the dates have been getting earlier, so I'd imagine late July, personally.

azcn2503 · Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:56 pm

R700 to launch in August - http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio ... &Itemid=34

Fudzilla wrote:

The single chip RV770PRO and RV770XT cards are still on the schedule for a June 16 launch with an immediate availability, but the real quantities will ship in early Q3, the quarter that starts in July.

R700 is 6 weeks after RV770 - http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio ... &Itemid=65

Fudzilla wrote:

The name is still not decided and knowing ATI's new strategy it doesn't have to simply be Radeon HD 4870 X2, no matter how highly likely that is.

ATI's R700 beats Geforce GTX 280 - http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio ... &Itemid=34

Fudzilla wrote:

R700 prototype scores about X5500 in 3DMark Vantage Extreme preset, while the Nvidia-alleged "king of the hill," known as the GTX 280, scores about X4800.

4870X2 sounds like it will be the best card for 2560x1600 gaming, which is what I require as I have the 30 inch monitor for it.

I reckon late July or early August also.

azcn2503 · Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:27 pm

This deserves double post.

The worlds first review of the 4870 is here: http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/firs ... d-hd-4850/

Unfortunately, they brought a DDoS upon themselves by hosting it... so you'll need to check it out tomorrow morning when they sort themselves out.

Update: Try this one though... http://translate.google.com/translate?u ... h-CN&tl=en

Those results are truly amazing. It's not quite a GTX280 killer, but if you consider the price of the 4870, then it is. Remember, there's still 4870X2 to come...

Skillers · Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:59 pm

Interesting, this is looking really good for ATi. Hoperfully they will be around £200 max, which makes it a winner (at £250 it is in direct competition with the 260s, which have similar performance in a lot of benchmarks, but seems to come of worse in all others.).

azcn2503 · Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:09 am

It's going to be about £210 for a 512MiB card and about £250 for a 1024MiB card. The 1024MiB cards will perform better. 4870 outperforms GTX260 in some benchmarks, but GTX260 is a £270 - £330 card, not a £250 card.

According to ATI, the 4870 is in direct competition with the 9800GTX - which it thrashes soundly.

The 4870X2 will compete with GTX260/GTX280, and it will most likely win.

Update: Some HD4870's...

Sapphire Radeon HD 4870, 512MB GDDR5, 2x DVI, TV-out, PCIe 2.0, bulk/lite retail (21133-00-10/20R) (€234.40 - €240.54)
PowerColor Radeon HD 4870, 512MB GDDR5, 2x DVI, TV-out, PCIe 2.0
ASUS EAH4870/HTDI, Radeon HD 4870, 512MB GDDR5, 2x DVI, TV-out, PCIe 2.0 (90-C3CGH0-J0UAY00T)
Diverse Radeon HD 4870, 512MB GDDR5, 2x DVI, TV-out, PCIe 2.0

Update: A real listing...
http://www.e-shop24.com/oxid/index.php? ... n=gat&mc=2
€216.46, about £170.

Important Update: 4870X2 confirmed by ATI VP to be faster than GTX 280!

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio ... 5&Itemid=1

Fudzilla wrote:

According to Internal data that ATI gathered, its R700 dual RV770 card will end up faster than the fastest Geforce GTX 280 card. This is quite a positive surprise and it definitely shows that ATI is back on track.

Radeon HD 4870 now in stock at Overclockers UK!!!! Unfortunately, they appear to be overpriced, considering you can get one in Germany for €216.46 and the UK one starts at £217.36.

Update: Ebuyer seem to be selling the 4870 for the correct price of £179.99 inc. VAT. You can find it here: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/146415

Skillers · Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:33 am

260 is a £250 card.

Sweet, £180 is an awesome price! Might see some cheaper versions aswell.

Skillers · Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:33 am

260 is a £250 card.

Sweet, £180 is an awesome price! Might see some cheaper versions aswell.

azcn2503 · Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:28 pm

Skillers wrote:

260 is a £250 card.

Sweet, £180 is an awesome price! Might see some cheaper versions aswell.

Oh well! 260 still gets beat up by 4870 in some games, and the 4870 is a lot cheaper.

Skillers · Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:04 pm

Yeah, looking at that review, it seems the mos consistent, the nVidia cards seem to switch between 9800GX2 and GTX280 of being best, and the 4870 is usually bang in the middle.

EDIT: £177

azcn2503 · Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:20 pm

Skillers wrote:

Yeah, looking at that review, it seems the mos consistent, the nVidia cards seem to switch between 9800GX2 and GTX280 of being best, and the 4870 is usually bang in the middle.

EDIT: £199.74

Fixed! (They must have changed the price)

Skillers · Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:44 pm

Well it was £177 earlier. The eBuyer one has gone now, aswell (stock), but there's another one for the same price.

azcn2503 · Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:18 am

More news on the 4870X2 and its black PCB...
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio ... 3&Itemid=1

Also... AIW makes a lovely return! Great for the HTPC crowd and very capable as a graphics chip too... great thing about AIW is that it does TV tuner, and this one does HDMI with sound too! http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio ... 0&Itemid=1

Skillers · Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:36 am

HD4870 reviews (as emailed by Aaron).

Reading some now, lol.

azcn2503 · Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:13 pm

Here are some leaked images of a black PCB with room for 2 chips and an interesting bridge chip. I guess this would up the speed between the two chips to PCI-Express v2.0 frequency instead of the 3870X2's 1.0 speed.

This would match up to the rumours that have been flying around the Internet recently.

Anyway, here are the pictures of the alleged HD 4870X2, the card I intend to buy two of...

Front:

Back:

Skillers · Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:14 pm

Looks awesome, damn long card, though!

azcn2503 · Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:04 pm

Nothing compared to the original dual chipper, the 7900GX2 aka Epic Fail Card.

Top: OEM 7900GX2
Bottom: Retail 7950GX2

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