Harry wrote: Hawke, I'm under the impression any donatees get part-admin, not sure what specifics they'll get since it's not my call, but I know they'll get kick etc.
Well Lamsey deserves full since:
1. He's probably one of the most active community members towards the server.
2. He helped us out a great deal at the LAN
3. He's a nice guy when you look past all the "HELLO YOU APPEAR TO BE A SPY!" shouting 
Suggestive wrote: Personally I would not push it any further than 24 for many of the reasons already mentioned. Facing up to a team of 16 hoovies is not a very good game. I am all for expanding the community but at the same time I have noticed that higher slot servers attract a special kind of idiot. I may sound like I am being an elitist prick, I know - but this judgement is based on previous experiences. It can work - but I would rather not go through the trial and error to find out.
Re: donators getting part admin - bad idea IMO. I also believe that Liam should get admin simply because, but you have to be careful that people dont donate just so they can piss everyone else off with map changes and kickbans that arent needed
Facing anything beyond 2 Heavies isn't a very good game in my opinion. And you're not far off the money regarding 32man servers attracting griefers and the like. That and 32man servers are apparently unplayable to most people that don't use an fps config simply due to the clusterf*** nature of the game in its current condition with about 90% of the models now having no LODs at all. Most of the hats apparently have more polygons than the actual characters themselves at full detail, and you're rendering them all at full detail regardless of how far away they are etc. Yeah, TF2 ain't optimised and it's a reason VALVe now warn people who enter any server that has more then 24 slots.
We can expand the community gradually, it doesn't have to inflate to Skillers' ego size asap, it can grow like... hard to not think of a sexual metaphor here... but yeah that's my opinion anyway.
And if people donate for power, we can keep their money and remove their power for abusing it. Just throw it under terms and conditions that if you abuse it, you lose it with no refund.
McWill wrote: cant really argue with that logic. i like the idea of restrictions myself because of how boring or chaotic the game can be if you abuse classes. Place 5 sentries at a point and half the classes on the enemy team become redundant. But equally not being able to go the class you want isnt fun (assuming we are aiming for fun), and neither is needing someone for a specific role and those people are afk/bad/dicking around. so i'm really not sure (or too bothered) atm. Only thing on the server i really don't like is RTD, we voted it off awhile ago but it has found its way back on again regardless. It seems popular somehow so i can put aside my hatred for this idiotic mod if people want it, but is there anyway to tune the rewards? instakill/godmode/noclip. seem kinda retarded, would it be possible to change those with something less insane like faster running speed, Higher HP or no reload? there should also be an equal number of negative results (not sure if they is already as I've never used the mod.) I don't know if this is even possible but a man can dream. I digress, 20-24 slots seems ok to me
It can be argued either way. Leave no restrictions, and you'll see abusive tactics thanks to class spam inherently being imbalanced for a lot of the classes. Mass Soldier/Heavy/Demoman/Engineer are the biggest most obvious culprits that always get rewards when spammed for little effort on our rotation (apart from a few maps). Restrict them however and people will complain that they can't play their classes etc etc.
In the end, I only think Heavy and Engineer should be restricted to 2. On our server, they're the only culprits that create serious problems when spammed. But that's just my opinion.
Regarding RTD, I thought it killed the server and had to be permanently off? If it's back, some of the rewards I'd love to see removed. Godmode, instakills, forcecrits and noclip are just unbelievable when get them (then again, I hate all random luck elements, and there's a lot in TF2 already without adding RTD). If people want it, I can put up with it (same thing as crits even though apparently people refused a TEST NIGHT where crits were turned off to see how the server played out).
SERIOUS HAWKE IS SERIOUS OMG!
Harry wrote: Also, sorry forgot to post it on here. I paramahphrased, badly.
People who donate and are trusted might get some adminships for some servers.
Mc, I do believe it is for fun, a lot of the things we are 'fun' (not as in playing the game), but casually doing random stuff, like heavy parties etc that are spontaneous.
Yeah, RTD is retarded as hell (noclip as spy, kill engy, kill all of his stuff on last point, kill most people protecting and I got 3/4 of a cap that way, when we couldn't even push half the way etc, was a good map ;D)
The general slot increase seems like a good idea though, yay!
Fun is subjective, so we can't really ever use "but it's fun!" as an argument for anything. I don't find crits fun in any way, others would beg to differ, so in the end fun isn't a good argument in my opinion.
And a slot increase would be good. Looks like from the vote that 20 seems about right?
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. 32 is terrible on tf2, it's way too cluttered :{. I don't mind waiting to join 16 slots personally, shows the server is doing well xDDD.
