*Cries*

Why does my class have to be last They did the pyro second and it is REALLY overpowered anyway Should be Sniper next anyway imo, even tho hes probably more balanced than the Soldier.

LOL, the funny thing is, the pyro isn't overpowered, it hasn't actually gained much since before the update (airblast + reduced falloff), when people complained it was underpowered (which I don't think it really was, just naff hit detection).

Scout or Spy next according to teh stats page (they always update underplayed classes).

everythings overpowered in some way, thats why there are so many different characters, to counter the overpoweredness and exploit weaknesses

True, any class can be 'overpowered' when it's being played by someone who's damned good at playing that class.

I do think though that 'overpowered' is probably the wrong word for describing that.


And yes, you can hear the spy's footsteps, even in cloak. I remember a 1v1 where I heard someone's footsteps (I was a demo and they were a spy), and I totalled them. In general though, it can be annoying to follow someone for ages only for them to hear your footsteps and turn around and blow your face off.

nah, take say your playing spy, omg pyro is overpowered against me, bad class !!!! then if your heavy, omfg spy is overpowered backstabbing <I AM INSULTING PEOPLE>. etc.

it depends what classes your playing against and how good opponents are.

Gozzer is an overpowered scout *******!!!! (open to interpretation as to what word that is )

I am not overpowered.......you're just underpowered

Footsteps?
mp_footsteps 0
What footsteps?

I didnt think mp_footsteps 0 worked in tf2

........... all classes have weaknesses and strengths, the ability to exploit those weaknesses whilst playing to the strengths of your class makes you great at playing.

" Git along there little Doggies"...surely engy? That should be interesting...unfortunately not till next year

They probably need more time to think about what weapons they can give to classes and research what is now being used etc... then see how they can make the classes be able to counter those classes whilst being more vulnerable to other classes.... it's what they've done with other classes:
Medic- Kritzkrieg, 100% crits but still vulnerable and the charge can be stopped in an instant by the enemy, however charges faster so more ubers.... better for some situations but worse for others...
Pyro- Backburner, 100% crits if you can flank the enemy (Pyros often can flank anyways) however you are vulnerable to Demomen and Soldiers as you can no longer reflect their stuff... once again better and worse for situations...
Heavy- Natascha, 75% power but slows enemies down to 1/2 their speed, useful for when working with a team and you want to slow enemies down so they can be killed by other people (e.g. Scouts slowed for Pyros to burn or another Heavy with Sasha to mow down) however when fighting another Heavy with Sasha, it fails... again better and worse...
Thye are now possibly thinking of ways to do that again as well for different classes, making them better and worse for different situations...
Opinions Gentlemen?

They're holding off the TF2 updates while they released L4D, make sure everything works properly (they're usually pretty good Beta testers, but there is bound to be some bugs) and get some new content released for L4D to please everyone. Then they will go back to updating TF2 (and L4D).

yes l4d being the new game means it will take priority

Fair enough, but what I just posted is probs their plan when they come back to it.

well, what you posted has always been their plan, everyone already knew that.