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Community Friday
Team Fortress 2 11%  11%  [ 4 ]
Counter-Strike: Source 11%  11%  [ 4 ]
Half-Life 2: Deathmatch 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Left 4 Dead 11%  11%  [ 4 ]
Garry's Mod 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
Trackmania Forever 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
OpenTTD 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Red Alert 3 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
Dawn of War 11%  11%  [ 4 ]
Suicide Survival 11%  11%  [ 4 ]
The Hidden 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
Synergy 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Day of Defeat: Source 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Unreal Tournament 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
=~Wildcard Choice~= 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
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That's a point, we should actually start announcing these Fridays just before they start on Steam, meaning we could actually get people on ><

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also OTTD had one vote and i sweatr thats what you people played :/

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It actually got 2, paid members get bonus votes, though that is odd, I think Si uses some form of randomiser with number of vote balancing. I'll ask him how it works, see if the formula needs tweaking or this was really just a one off.

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(2 base + public votes + member votes)winner multiplier

Winner multiplier = 1 if the game didnt win the previous week, 1/2 if it did.

You vote to "increase the chances" of your game winning. Not for an ultimate win.

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... basically it is all random choice with more votes for games increasing their odds...

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That's exactly right, but the formula is important as it explains how it works.

I think we might be more successful if it was -2 base chance (negative chance = 0), that way unpopular and unvoted for options won't get picked, and having more votes increases the relative chance per vote.

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There's a reason I don't do maths, Skillers: I don't understand it and instead keep it to the basics.
From what you've said, basically:
More votes = increased chance
No votes = option not put into random generator
You = understand maths

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I'm not a paid member and i am the only one who voted for OTTD...

WHAT THE HELL. Unless someone voted then removed the game?

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With the current system, even if a game doesn't get a vote, it will have a chance, because of the 2 base chance. The 2 base chance also means there are lower than expected returns for having the most votes - The difference between 2 and 4 votes would be expected to be 4 having twice the chance of 2, but it is infact only 50% more.

This has the effect of a generally more balanced board, meaning that the results will be more random and the most popular one will have the most chance, but less than expected. This can be seen as good and bad. It's bad in the way the people (as a whole) are less likely to get what they want, but on the good side it encourages diversity of gaming, rather than having a few choices that always win.

On further thought, the current system is probably fine how it is for now, but may need some tweaking somehow.

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Tweaking to make sure TF2 always comes top?

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That would be pointless.

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I have a suggestion: TF2 zombie mod.
Look it up on youtube, seems fun
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Surely that games what are dedicated to zombie fun would be better? e.g Left4dead

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Ha, obviously, but L4D only allows 4-8 people, TF2 allows everyone to play,

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LOL, well tbh if we wanted more players to be able to play then surely the HL2 mod: Zombie Panic would be better?

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What about me changing the odds formula to:
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What about me changing the odds formula to:
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?????

what about to add Insurgency?

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The factor of 2 isn't needed - as it applies to everything it won't make any difference to the overall factor.

Also, your w will need to change, I suggest 0 for no win, 1 for a win in the previous week (if you kept it as 1, 1/2, those that had previously won would get more chance).

Alternatively, you could w=3-weeks since last win, with a minimum of 0, that way the last 3 weeks winners (last week = 0 weeks etc) would have a reduced chance, with the most recent have the most reduced chance.

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Insurgency is a good mod, I would have to say that its worth putting in the vote for next time :D. Also I'm not sure how many people have BF2 or BF2142 but that's alot better than Insurgency

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Loads more Maths to confuse myself with... excellent...
@ Si- I'm not cheap enough to buy the game, I've exhausted my immediate supply of money to donate to you. But when I get more, L4D is my top priority as Hunter seems like great fun.
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Maths is great, in combination with the concepts physics it makes the world go round! (Literally!)

I haven't checked out the Zombie Mod.

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